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Come Back to the Future… (Humor)


 

Marty:  But Doc, the leader of my Beer & Bible small group says that the book of the Revelation was mostly fulfilled in AD70, Israel is done. I’m a Preterist.

Doc Brown: Marty, I’ve warned you about the YR&R folks. Have you read Romans 11? You need to come back to the future…

 
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Posted by on January 22, 2012 in Uncategorized

 

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Theological Talking Scales (Absurd Humor)


Roman Catholic talking scales: “For an Indulgence of $50, your weight gain will be absolved…”

Lutheran talking scales: “There are at least 95 things you should not have eaten this week…”

Southern Baptist talking scales: “Raise your hand if you know deep down in your heart that you should not have eaten those pop-tarts this week and if you really mean it, you will be saved from weight gain…”

Freewill Baptist talking scales: “Last week you gained weight and this week you lost it again…”

Reformed Baptist talking scales: “Our scales were calibrated in AD70 and if your weight is not what you expected, it is because you have been listening to those heathen Dispensationalists again…”

Dispensational talking scales: “Don’t get left behind, believe that you can lose that weight and it will suddenly disappear from your thighs in the twinkling of an eye…”

Word Faith talking scales: “Claim that weight loss in the name of GEE-Zus and you will be slain in the GLO-ry. Now don’t forget to plant your seed money for next week…”

Emergent talking scales: “Numbers are so confusing. We’re not sure exactly what your current weight is but be assured that all weights are acceptable before Him or Her, if there is a God at all. Let’s have a conversation about your weight after the praise band cranks out a few secular songs at 120 decibels…”

Seeker talking scales: “Just buy my book in the lobby and follow these 4 steps to finding your purpose. Your weight will be your best weight now…”

 
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Posted by on October 11, 2011 in Uncategorized

 

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Reformed vs. Romans 11… and the rest of the Bible


I know some really great people in the reformed camp. I am about to tick all of them off but I have to. Their eschatology and position on Israel make no sense. At no time did the Church become Israel and the book of Revelation is not totally allegorical.

Proof? The Bible is proof! Read it without using the reformed transmogrifying filter that they use to force things into their view. Romans 11 is a prime example. Paul did not practice a reformed interpretational framework. I mean no disrespect but it is true! Paul was writing literally just like he wrote everything else. Romans does not end after chapter 10. Read on. Chapter 11 refutes the reformed perspective on Israel.

The book of Revelation is another. Then there’s the Old Testament and the rest of the New…

Read the Bible the way it was written. It is a unified writing from God to communicate His redemptive plan. Israel is still part of God’s plan.

True ‘dat?

 
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Posted by on May 1, 2011 in Uncategorized

 

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Proof There are No Southern Baptists in Heaven (Humor)


” As your pastor, I must report that I fear there may not be any Southern Baptists in Heaven. In Rev 7, John sees a multitude standing before the Lamb that no one could count; therefore, since Southern Baptists can and will count anything that moves and record it as attendance, I have to submit that there may not be any Southern Baptists in Heaven…”

 
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Posted by on April 30, 2011 in Uncategorized

 

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Dispensational Thought for the Day #6


Ok, thus far I have been pretty tough on the reformed people. Hopefully I have been kind however. Today, I will be tough on my dispensationalist friends.

Dispensational Thought for the Day #6 … Everything that happens is not necessarily a fulfillment of prophecy!

Wow, the earthquake in Japan and the resulting nuclear disaster was only just beginning to be realized last week and people were already beginning to claim this was fulfilling prophecy. Stop and think, people!

Where in Revelation or anywhere else does it talk about the end times events happening in Japan? And where does the Bible say that any of the trumpet or seal judgements take place separate from the Tribulation period? Has the Tribulation over the entire world begun?

Yikes. I am amazed at how people take verses out as if they can stand alone and claim all manner of weird fulfillment. Let me give you an example of dispensationalists run amok (No, that is not a title of a new reality show on Fox). Back in the 1980s, there were many people traveling the country doing prophecy conferences. One such person said that Revelation 9:8-9 ( They had hair like the hair of women, and their teeth were like lions teeth. They had breastplates like breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots, of many horses rushing to battle) was talking about the heavy metal rock bands that were so popular at the time.

Give me a break. This is not exegesis…this doesn’t even qualify as eisegesis. This is simply ignorancesis.

The book of the Revelation is not entirely chronological because there are some parenthetical pieces that give greater detail of some areas but overall events happen within a framework of chronology. Once the trumpet and bowl judgements begin, there will be no doubt that the Tribulation has begun. Speakers must be tested to insure they are sound teachers. Do not follow someone because they tell a fascinating or compelling story very well. Even if they have powerpoint and/or video to back their story up, they may still be misguided or out & out frauds.  

Beware of the clever packaging around a bill of goods. The principles of sound Bible study include context, consistency, careful treatment of literal & figurative items, and a solid understanding of God and His nature. We will continue next time… Thanks for joining in.

 
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Posted by on March 21, 2011 in Uncategorized

 

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Dispensational Thought for the Day #5 (part 4)


I subtitle this installment Additional Thoughts. There are a few other things worth mentioning about why people believe in the rapture even though it is not mentioned by name in the Bible.

1) Why don’t the reformed perspective people get it? I believe they are taught not to… They are taught to see eschatology through the reformed filter. The reformed perspective was developed many years ago. Back then, no one could possibly imagine how the end of times events could possibly occur. Because of this, they began to allegorize Revelation until they could make it fit into the realm of the understandable. Are they bad people for this? No. They just made a mistake. The neo-reformed people of today continue to make this mistake. Are they bad people? No. I like many of them. They are quite good at much of scripture but not eschatology or Israel.

This is a point for ALL of us to learn from because dispensational people can be bad about forcing things to fit what they can understand as well. The Bible says what it says. If we do not understand based upon what we can learn from scripture, it does not mean that we can make wild assumptions. We must take things on faith.

2) The thought that the Church would endure the tribulation is an old covenant type of concept. God always protected Israel as she endured troubles. God will remove the Church prior to the tribulation period. This is more in line with new covenant thinking.

3) To repeat a point made in an earlier post, if the Church endures the tribulation, why isn’t she mentioned? Several other groups get mentioned but the Church, the very Body of Christ, that so much of the Bible talks about, is not mentioned??? I don’t think so.

4) This thing the reformed people believe about partial binding of Satan and the thing about the millennial kingdom not being one thousand but instead meaning ‘a very long time’… huh? Partially bound? I don’t see that in Rev. Bound is bound. I wouldn’t bet my chips on partial binding. Instead, I believe what the Bible clearly says. Satan is bound for 1000 years during the millennial reign of Christ.

Also, one thousand usually means one thousand. When the Bible uses hyperbole to represent vast amounts it usually says something like ‘myriads and myriads’ or ‘ten thousand times ten thousand’ or something like that. To say one thousand probably means exactly that… one thousand.

This is enough for now. Opine if you wish. Thanks.

 
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Posted by on March 15, 2011 in Uncategorized

 

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Dispensational Thought for the Day #5 part 2


Dispensational Thought #5 (part 2) : The Rapture of the church is not mentioned by name in the Bible, so why do many people believe in it?

There is no mention by name that the rapture will occur and no direct details on how or when it will occur in precision form. So what? There is also no mention of the law of gravity nor is there an explanation of how gravity works but does that mean there is no gravity on earth? Of course not.

The Truthinator believes in the Rapture for several reasons and I will begin with this one. I believe the Bible implies that God will keep His Church safe during the tribulation by removing her as opposed to keeping her safe in the midst of it. I see God keeping His remnant safe during such trials as the flood, lop-sided wars, lion’s dens, furnaces and so forth under the old covenant. He indeed preserved His people through many horrific events.

When Christ died (gave up His spirit) on the cross, the temple veil was torn through from top to bottom. Everything would change. God would now deal with a Church (Body of Christ) that would be composed of recipients of grace under a new covenant. Jews, Gentiles, slave, free, rich, poor, fat, slim, and you get the picture. Christ rose, appeared to many, ascended, and sat down at the right hand of the Father sending the Holy Spirit to indwell believers!

This is a totally new way of interacting with His people. Now, when we look at Revelation  3:10 where God promises to keep the church of Philadelphia ( a real church and a type of church) out of the hour of trial that is due to come upon the entire world, the Greek word Ek is used for “out” . Ek has several forms and each form connotes action resulting in removal from a place of origin or movement from a beginning point. God did not promise to keep them through the world-wide trial that was coming. A possible word for keeping them safe throughout the great trial could have been ‘di’ or ‘dia’ among others. He could have said that He would keep them safe during or throughout the trial but He did not. He promised to keep them out of the coming world-wide trial.

Also look at Rev 7. God seals 12,000 of each of the 12 tribes of Israel. What did He do for the Church? Nothing because the Church is no longer on earth (IMHO). Look at verses that follow. John sees a multitude of every nation and type arrayed in white robes. The angel later tells John that these are the ones who came out of the great constriction or trial. The Greek word, Ek, is used again. Also notice that John gets translated into Heaven and the Church is already there… and they were taken out of the great trial that would be world-wide. Pretribulation rapture!

Ok, that is enough for today. What I have told you thus far is not an exhaustive treatment of the issue. I will continue next time with more of my thoughts on the issue. Am I dogmatic on this issue? Well, yes & no. I thoroughly believe what I have told you but I concede to you that there is room for discussion. More tomorrow…

 
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Posted by on February 10, 2011 in Uncategorized

 

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Dispensational Thought for the Day #4


Continuing with the information discussed in item #3, please consider

#4 The use of the allegorical hermeneutic by the Reformed people is tricky and even risky.

My Reformed friends aren’t going to like hearing this but it is true. Keep reading… Look, the use of allegory can be a train wreck if the person controlling the switch flips it too quickly or keeps it flipped for too long. And how does a person come to know how and when to flip the allegory switch? Think about the railroad switchmen who flipped the heavy levers that moved the small section of traintrack allowing a train to modify its course. Boy, if they made an error of timing, catastrophe would result.

The Reformed people use a fairly large allegory filter to view scripture. They see Israel transmogrify into the church at some point and cease to be a nation yet there is enough New Testament talk about Israel and the church to place their hermeneutic in question (note: all Reformed people may not do this but many do).

Look carefully at Romans 11 for example. I am not saying that Romans 11 is easy for Dispensationalists to translate and understand but scripture seems to be clearly continuing the distinction between Israel, the Church, and Gentiles. Some people from the nation of Israel become members of the Chruch along with some Gentiles by God’s grace is the idea. That does not eliminate the nation from possible future salvation in part or in whole.

Then there is the book of the Revelation. To use allegory here can allow a person to make scripture mean practically anything. We will zoom in upon individual details later but suffice it to say that the Truthinator does not understand the sweeping use of allegory as a justifiable hermeneutic.

I see the Bible being written in order for people to be able to read it and understand what is possible for them and to take on faith the futuristic information based upon God’s power and ability to deliver what He has promised. The Dispensational framework uses a “take the literal stuff as literal and the obviously symbolic stuff as such” if you will pardon my paraphrase. I do not believe the Bible was written as a code that would have to be deciphered later. This would give much too much power to the supposed holder of the deciphering key thus placing us back into Roman Catholicism again. I do not believe any of the writers wrote in code. Why not? Because none of the human tools for taking down God’s inspired word knew the result of their efforts would eventually become the Bible. They were writing to a primary audience.

The writers were writing letters and keeping records. Do people write their letters and keep their records in some kind of code? Maybe sometimes but not usually. They usually want people to be able to understand what they write. Also, the Bible itself places strong warnings against adding to and taking away from its message.

Please consider what I have written and respond if you like. We will continue with another installment soon. Thank you for your kind attention.

 
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Posted by on February 2, 2011 in Uncategorized

 

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Dispensational Thought for the Day #2


Ok, I admit that some of yesterday’s post was tongue-in-cheek. I was serious about the content but I am taking a light-hearted but sincere tack on this mission. Today, let’s jump into a misunderstanding that puts Reformed and Dispensational people at odds unnecessarily.

 #2 Reformed Theology or Dispensational Theology is heretical and of the devil.

Neither is true. Also, the Reformed perspective and the Dispensational perspective are not Theologies to begin with. They are both interpretational frameworks through which scripture is viewed. Another thing to keep in mind is that not all Reformed nor all Dispensational people will agree with each other much less with their counterparts from the other interpretational framework.

Both Reformed and Dispensational mainstream believers acknowledge that man is saved by grace through faith in Jesus alone to the glory of God. We differ not so much on the large, foundational issues but on the interpretational nuances of who said what to whom and what does it mean. These differences are important but do not render either side as heretics. In my opinion, the Reformed people will be surprised when they are raptured one day! But this is a discussion for another day.

Sufficient for today is to know that we are discussing the differences between two different interpretational frameworks. The two groups argue mainly in the areas of who Israel is today and what will happen with future things. We will discuss this in more detail later. Thanks for joining me again. We will continue tomorrow.

 
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Posted by on January 25, 2011 in Uncategorized

 

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Dispensational Thought for the Day


This ought to be interesting. I figure I am about to lose most of my regular readers but it is time to call it like it is. Something that I will call the “Rabid Reformed” movement dominates the blog world. They are right to hold firmly to Calvinist understanding of grace and sovereignty and so forth but they cross the line with their convictions concerning Covenant Theology and Amillinnealism. The part that makes some of the Reformed camp “rabid” in my opinion is the “unless you believe as I do YOU are a heretic” vitriol they spout.

Please note that I am not talking about all Reformed people. Some disagree agreeably and leave it at that but many on the web today do not. Anyhoo, I believe it is time to stand for good sense in Bible interpretation and let the chips fall wherever chips fall…Reformed Theology is fraught with problems and errors.

The Reformed people say the same thing about the Dispensational perspective so I feel comfortable using it in reverse. Am I seeking to pick a fight? No, I just want open discussion without a bunch of huffing and puffing.

One rule will be firmly enforced here: no one will be called a heretic unless the shoe seems to fit after careful examination. So without further ado…

Dispensational Thought for the Day #1

God, at times, changed the way He operates.

If you went to church on Sunday instead of Saturday, guess what? You are at least partially of a dispensational mindset! Read it and weep.

Follow me. There is a popular youtube and blog preacher who is firmly in the Reformed camp. I heard him do a message where he “refuted” dispensationalism. The funny thing is however, he began his discussion by saying, “Now I will admit that dispensations do exist in the Bible”!  Game Over! He defeated himself before he began.

Look guys, it cannot be denied that God worked at different times in different ways. Hebrews 1:1-4 says, 

“God, who in various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.”

which, my friends, proves that the Bible recognizes my afore-mentioned point. God once spoke only to the nation of Israel through his prophet and now speaks to the world through Jesus. These are “last days” as compared to the earlier dispensation. One thing that surely changed after the resurrection is that the Body of Christ met on the first day of the week.

OK, enough for today. Come down off the ceiling and join me tomorrow for more good-spirited righting of wrongs done in the internet blogosphere.

 

 
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Posted by on January 24, 2011 in Uncategorized

 

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