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Truthinator Interview #7

Note to readers: This interview is particularly interesting to Truthinator’s Blog since we work at exposing the absurdity of aspects of the Seeker Friendly and Emergent Church concepts. This interviewee is a former Emergent. We hope you are edified by what you read. We must say however that the material contained in this or any other interview published here is not necessarily endorsed by Truthinator’s Blog or its employees or volunteers. Thanks and enjoy…

Note to readers #2: When I write Seeker/Emergent, I am not assuming them to be equal but instead I assume them to be related. I see the Seeker Movement to be the parent of the Emergent Movement. I see the Seeker Movement as opening the door for the devil and the Emergent movement to be the devil. I do not think the Seeker Movement is less evil just less overt.

Truthinator: Since you came from an Emergent Church background, please describe what attracted you to them and how long you stayed. Also, when did you become a Christian and did the Emergent Church have anything at all to do with exposing you to God’s truth (Gospel)?

Guest: The church I attended since I was a teenager was a Pentecostal church. They had increasingly become more and more charismatic. Biblical teaching was shallow. I had a huge hand, however, in my biblical illiteracy. I just took everything that was taught and said as the truth. I had no discernment. I started feeling disillusioned with church. There were things that just seemed so wrong but I couldn’t explain it. My husband and I were married for two years when we decided to go to Bible college at Prairie Bible college. It was there that what I found to be troublesome with my home church became clear. I started ‘asking questions’ and being critical of where I came from. I started examining everything. I discovered the weak theological background of where I came from. I discovered how unbiblical my church was. But then, I was wrong too. I started thinking in a postmodern mindset. I can’t exactly pinpoint how or where it came from, but I think it may have started before I went to college. At least the foundation for it was there already. I started dabbling in relativism. There were so many people around me who would nurture that sort of thing. It was fun. I felt so enlightened and so much more smart than the narrow minded fundies in the church. I felt at the time that I had a righteous indignation against the behind the times church filled with legalists (or so I thought that’s what they were). I became liberal in my religion and liberal in my politics. I would spew things about how theology is in flux, about how the gospel is saving lives and feeding hungry people, about how we have to take care of the poor or we are hypocrites. I showed deep disdain for the preaching of the Word, though I didn’t realize it at the time. I would cheer on Tony Campolo, Brian Mclaren and all those guys who seemed to ‘get it’ where no one else did. I think I was truly saved before this when I was 19 but my faith and knowledge was shallow. I had barely read the Bible for years, so I was easy pickings for emergent thought. In my senior year I took a class under an emergent professor called Integrative Seminar. I had no idea at the time that he had an agenda. I had no idea at the time that emergence was such an issue. I barely knew what it was at the time. But he got us to read all sorts of emergent books that really got stuck in my brain. I was oblivious to my ugly cynicism and disdain. I was truly a hypocrite. After I graduated, by God’s grace, I came to the bitter end of emergence. Disillusionment once again. There is an end to it, thank the Lord. No, I didn’t learn truth in the emergent movement. They have no idea what the gospel really is and their goal is to deconstruct the Bible. Many people who are in that movement don’t even realize they are emergent.

T: How long did you stay in the Emergent Church? What was instrumental in making you realize the need for leaving?

G: I think I was in that for about 4 or 5 years. I was attending an Alliance church that was dwindling in numbers. Emergence had infiltrated there and did a good job of rotting in from the inside. I just wasn’t finding what I truly needed at church anymore. I didn’t know what I needed (the preaching of the Word) but I had no desire to go to church anymore. I had hit rock bottom. I felt like I wasn’t saved and worse, I didn’t care.

T: What impact is the Seeker/Emergent concept having on Christianity in America & the world?

G: The seeker friendly/emergent movement is having a devastating effect on the church and society around it. It is filling churches with goats who hate God. It is discarding the true gospel and God’s Word. It is fostering tolerance and the coddling of sin within the church doors. It is creating a worldly institution under the guise of Christianity. Instead of the prophetic voice of the true church being called out into society, the voice being heard is one of tolerance and alliance with the world. It is hypocrisy being embraced by darkened minds. The emergent created, apostate church, is in league with the world. It is a direct affront to the Word of God. To God Himself. They have effectively taken Jesus and what He has done out of Christianity. True Christians will be forced underground in the west. It is already happening.

T: What are the main positive and negative aspects of this movement?

G: It is difficult to find any positive aspects in the movement. To begin with, they were just asking questions. I suppose forcing myself to examine what I truly believed was a positive in it all. Also, learning the mindset and thinking of postmodernism is effective for how I approach emergents now. The negative aspects would take a whole book to write. But the big ones are a throwing out of God’s Word, dismissing Sola Scriptura. Denying the Penal Substitutionary Atonement. Denying total depravity. Preaching a different gospel (one of self-righteousness and ‘social justice’). Tolerance of sinful lifestyles. The utter hypocrisy of wearing the clothes of humility over the core of arrogance and pride. And I could go on and on and on.

T: If you had to guess, how well do you think the pastoral staff at your Emergent church know the Bible? Do you think they believed the Bible at all to be real, true, and authoritative?

G: My experience with emergence was mainly in my Bible college, not really in a church. There really isn’t an emergent church, per se, emergence has merely infiltrated denominations. My town is a Bible college town. It has about 12 churches. Most of them have turned basically emergent regardless of what they are called or what denomination they are. I call this town Emergentville. It’s everywhere. We did recently find 1 church here, however, that preaches the Word. Emergents deny the Bible is authoritative. Church goers here rely on Bible studies and books written by mystics and liberal Christians who deny Scripture. It is maddening.

T: What impact is the Seeker/Emergent concept having on youth? On Missions? On Church Planting?

G: The main channel that emergent teaching enters the church has been through the youth program. Emergent leaders and teachers are very appealing to youth. In fact, the grassroots of emergence was aimed specifically at youth. I also believe that much of emergent teaching has come out of the mission field, though I can’t exactly say that for sure. I would like to look into it more deeply sometime. I don’t think I really have any insight about it’s impact on church planting, but it seems like mega churches like Steven Furticks, Perry Noble’s and Rick Warren’s are all one central church that gets televised to multiple locations. So there is that extreme but I’ve also seen many churches spring up in old hotels and theatres that preach social justice and tolerance. It’s like I can smell them a mile away. They are hip and cool and have a huge influence on especially young people.  I guess I did have thoughts on the impact on church planting afterall.

T: What type of church do you currently belong to? How does it differ from the Emergent one?

G: I am presently attending an Independent Baptist church. It is amazing. They take the Word of God seriously and so far, they even seem Reformed. It is a 180 from the emergent churches I’ve been to.

T: Describe the process God used to draw you unto Himself.

G: I am still in awe of what He did. It’s incredible. I often say that God made the gospel come into sharp focus for me. I had reluctantly started listening to Wretched Radio at the encouragement of my husband. At first I was hostile. I would rant and rail against it. Then, I listened to Todd Friel’s sermon Are you really a Christian? Based on 1 John. I was a Christian before, but things became crystal clear. I finally understood the importance of repentance and faith. I finally understood what the real gospel was. It was a revolution in my life. The scattered puzzle pieces were put into their proper place. I began to seriously read the Bible and study it. That was the key. The Bible. I devoured it. I read it from beginning to end. I started cracking open the theology texts and hermeneutic texts from my Bible college days that I should have studied then. I started searching for theological sources. Reading, reading, reading. I had to consume it. I was so hungry. I learned about the essentials of the faith, the doctrines of grace, creeds and  confessions. I was so hungry. I needed His Word. I am now more equipped than ever to tell what is lie and what is true.

T: How long do you think the Seeker/Emergent concept will survive? If you believe it will eventually fail, what will be the source of its collapse?

G: This movement has been here ever since Genesis 3 where Satan asked “Did God really say…?” and it will unfortunately be around until Jesus comes and ends it.

T: Thanks for doing this interview. I believe people will benefit from the info you shared.


Posted by on July 24, 2012 in Uncategorized


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In a word, Thank You… (Thanks & Humor)

Ok, that’s two words but numbers are confusing, who can know what they mean? Anyway, thanks to all of you who visit, like, and comment. It really does mean a lot. We get a kick out of reading about your reactions.

We’ve been really busy lately and have not had the time to focus on my blog. Thanks for sticking around & we hope to put some new material on here soon. Have a blessed day from the leadership, staff, and volunteers here at Truthinator’s Blog…


Posted by on July 22, 2012 in Uncategorized


Announcing Truthinator’s Blog Hotline (Humor)

“Truthinator’s Blog Hotline, May I help you? No, no, no…you can’t lose your salvation or even put it aside willingly. How could you do something to lose what you could not do anything to gain? Stay away from those Arminians…”


Posted by on July 19, 2012 in Uncategorized


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Six Flags Community Church (Satire)

“Wheeeee, church is fun! This is what Acts 2 was talkin’ about baby…”


Posted by on July 19, 2012 in Uncategorized


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Church du Soleil (Sarcasm)

The senior pastor juggles the 5 points of postmodern pragmatism for his mesmerised crowd because, after all, sometimes a man wearing a snazzy vest while juggling can move a heart when the Gospel cannot…


Posted by on July 14, 2012 in Uncategorized


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Funny! (Humor)

This is hilarious. I am not sure of its source but I saw it on Facebook posted by someone named Ameen Hudson. As you can see, the cartoon is signed by Davis. Great work!


Posted by on July 12, 2012 in Uncategorized


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Instant Relevance (Animated Humor)


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The Emergent Talking Dog (Animated Humor)


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The Truthinator Interviews: Interview #6

As you know by now, we at Truthinator’s Blog are conducting interviews with notable people around the world for the purpose of gaining insight from their knowledge and experience. The names are kept secret because we are not trying to impress you with our list of notable friends & acquaintances. This is about the information only.

We must also say that the opinions and/or beliefs of this or any other interviewee do not necessarily represent the views of Truthinator’s Blog, its employees, or volunteers. Please be edified…

Truthinator: How long have you been a Christian and what type of ministry/service activities are you involved in?

Guest: Since I was very young I have believed, I was baptized into the faith in June 1970 shortly after my birth.  I have always been involved in the music of the church.

Because of the distance to my church now, it is difficult to be too involved in anything but occasional special music.  Other than that, I blog and try to encourage friends personally.

T: What is different today about the faith and the way(s) faith is practiced from when you first came to know Christ?

G: There are a lot more churches that are trying to bring into regular Sunday services the stuff we did on youth group outings or outreach programs, concerts, and revival meetings… often this is an attempt to make up for the missing gospel of Christ crucified for the forgiveness of sins.

T: Are this/these differences good or bad? Why? Where will they lead?

G: Not good, definitely.  When you use something other than the truth to attract people, you end up having to ‘keep’ them with the same distracting things.  If you preach the truth, the people being called by God will come, and stay… and that is the group of people you want to build the church with.

T: Has social media been a good thing or not in terms of communicating Christianity to the world?

G: It’s hard to say.  It has caused me to sharpen my argument and doctrine (not in terms of tone, but in terms of clarity) and rub off some rough edges, for me.  But like any technology that affects social behavior, it takes some getting used to.  People had trouble with TV and telephone when it first came out, as well.

T: Some have said that blogging should be reserved only for the institutional ministries. Do you agree? Why or why not?

G: No, for several reasons.  1. Institutional ministries are sometimes wrong and need correction.  2. speaking about Christ is not something exclusively reserved for ordained ministers. If a church wants to make a rule that none of its members can blog without approval by the church, then fine.  But I won’t be attending there, most likely.  It seems like unjustified micromanaging and I see no support for this kind of top-down control in Scripture.

T: Why do you think large preachers/authors/public speakers are concerned about independent bloggers having the freedom to post their thoughts?

G: They don’t like to be challenged any more than anyone else does. Because they on the whole might be fairly sound, they have a hard time understanding why anyone would bother worrying about the places in which they might be wrong.  If an independent blogger is just going off in left field and making no sense, then the solution is not to punish everyone else by putting everyone under some legalistic rule.  The solution is to fight back with the weapons you have — dissect their arguments with the scalpel you have in the Word.  Or ignore them.

T: Thinking of the blogs you’ve read, do you think there is a sizable group of independent bloggers who are doing damage to the true faith? Why or why not?

G: Sure.  There always are.  Satan uses all tools at his disposal.  It doesn’t matter if it’s blogging or the printing press.

T: What do you think about using humor. satire, and/or parodies to communicate a message related to the true Christian faith?

G: Sure, I’m all for it, as long as it is soundly grounded in the truth of Scripture.  Like any tool.

T: How far can ministries go in being “attractional” and remain faithful to the true faith? Afterall, what is wrong with shooting people from a cannon in church? Doesn’t that help to communicate God’s love for mankind?

G: There is no attraction in the church for the unsaved.  We are an offense to them.  At best they want the social benefits of the church without the TRUTH in which those social benefits are grounded. It doesn’t work, and the more you make decisions with this motivation, the farther your church will drift. So seriously, don’t bother trying to “attract” them.  You minister to unbelievers during the week in your daily work and interactions.  That is what we should be doing.  When/if they are saved, they will come to be fed, like sheep do when they are born into the flock.

I remember hearing or reading something that sounded much like this article:

Where the person speaking/writing said that church is the worst place for an unbeliever.  It effectively inoculates them against the truth.  In this article Drew Dyck observes:

What pushed them out? Again, the reasons for departing in each case were unique, but I realized that most leavers had been exposed to a superficial form of Christianity that effectively inoculated them against authentic faith. When sociologist Christian Smith and his fellow researchers examined the spiritual lives of American teenagers, they found most teens practicing a religion best called “Moralistic Therapeutic Deism,” which casts God as a distant Creator who blesses people who are “good, nice, and fair.” Its central goal is to help believers “be happy and feel good about oneself.”

Where did teenagers learn this faith? Unfortunately, it’s one taught, implicitly and sometimes explicitly, at every age level in many churches. It’s in the air that many churchgoers breathe, from seeker-friendly worship services to low-commitment small groups. When this naive and coldly utilitarian view of God crashes on the hard rocks of reality, we shouldn’t be surprised to see people of any age walk away.

(and, I don’t know anything else about him, but he makes some good observations here)

T: Do you think God’s message gets properly communicated in the 3-ring, entertain-o-rama, multi-site, mega-lo-mania churches? I’ve heard many messages from these types of churches and it seems to me the core point to them is about man’s desires being delivered instead of the need for repentance and conversion. What do you think?

G: No, definitely not.  The gospel assumed is the gospel denied.  Even if you do preach the gospel in an arena like that, you are essentially talking in a vacuum.  You have effectively put your light under a bushel or otherwise obscured it from view by the distracting things going on.  Methodology is not doctrinally neutral.  You can preach the truth, while displaying something that totally contradicts it in your church’s decision-making processes and how it goes about running the church, and running the worship service.

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Posted by on July 2, 2012 in Uncategorized