The Piper at the Gates of Saddleback (Satire)

01 Aug

Piper whispering to Warren:   I’m working really hard to convince folks that you are doctrinal & sound. Please do like the lions in the den and keep your mouth shut…

Why would someone like Piper go to such effort to convince others that Warren is “doctrinal & sound” ? Any ideas?


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6 responses to “The Piper at the Gates of Saddleback (Satire)

  1. Simon

    August 2, 2011 at 9:09 am

    You know I think a lot of honest folks who just want to follow the Lord and learrn to do that in the context of good biblical teaching are really frustrated with what Piper has done, he came to Johannesburg SA where I am from and no one said a word to him about it. Warren’s teachings led me astray for quite awhile so I am less than charmed with this man’s deceitfullness. To see a spiritaul role model like Piper endorse a false prophet ( in my opinion) is not a good thing.
    One wonders why Dr Piper had to endorse this man, he did it for Leonard Sweet before that and I must say I have refrained from listening to his teachigs. I would rather listen to my own Pastor or John Macarthur. It seems to be a vertiable spirtual minefield out there.

  2. carolynb

    August 2, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Rick Warren’s false teachings are unquestionably insidious.

    Therefore, we should seriously call into question anyone who partners with and/or promotes Rick Warren.

    Spiritual minefield, indeed.

  3. Truthinator

    August 2, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Welcome Simon and Carolyn B. I really connot figure this one out either. Maybe John Piper is not who we originally thought? Maybe he is duped by his own celebrity? Maybe he is trying to remain a player in a game that has noticably shifted to the left? Maybe a combination of all three?

    More mines in the minefield than safe places to stand for sure. I also like MacArthur. Solid teaching and firm stance on the Bible.

    I also fear RW to be an insidious false teacher. He often mouths correct words but then mixes them with a mismash of half-truth and newage nonsense. I come away feeling as though I have heard “another gospel” when I hear him speak.

    RW definately chose to be popuar with the world as opposed to dying on a hill for the truth… The fact that he endorses the Emergent folks should disqualify him but oddly it does not. Go figure…

  4. carolynb

    August 2, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    RW – he started off the mark from the get-go. Between his early associations with Robert Schuller, C. Peter Wagner, and Peter Drucker, and his door-to-door polling of unbelievers’ opinions as his pragmatic means of starting Saddleback, he has built his empire on a foundation of sinking sand. He’s only become worse with time. Case in point, and by no means is this exhaustive:
    -his PDL takeover (or should I say, coup) of churches, where dissenters are at best marginalized, and at worst, hostilely given (as one person put it) the “left foot of fellowship” and intentionally driven out
    -his unbiblical P.E.A.C.E. Plan
    -his ongoing partnership with ex-anglican/current RC Tony Blair and his antichrist Faith Foundation
    -and his bringing in the three “new age bhagwans” (as you quipped) into Saddleback for his so-called Daniel Plan.

    It seems that, “in the name of Christ”, Rick Warren has single-handedly done more to undermine the true Gospel than any other man in the last 50 years.

    As for Piper, we cannot know Piper’s motives; we can only righteously judge his actions, and compare them to Scripture. There are many admonitions in the Bible about marking and avoiding those who teach doctrine contrary to the truth (Romans 16:17), to silence and severely reprove deceivers (Titus 1:10-13), and not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers (2 Cor 6:14). To partner with or promote a false teacher is rank disobedience to God. Piper is not the only one who has implicitly or explicitly endorsed Warren. It’s shameful, and the way of truth is being brought into disrepute (2 Peter 2:2).

    I too deeply appreciate MacArthur. Unlike so many “big names” today, MacArthur started solid on the foundation of Christ and Him Crucified, and has stayed solid and unwavering through the entire course of his ministry. I have listened to sermons that he preached before I was even born, and they are as relevant today as they were back then. I also am thankful that, unlike today’s evangelicals, who behave more like politicians, he always speaks plainly, and is single-minded.

    • Truthinator

      August 2, 2011 at 1:57 pm

      I must agree with you wholeheartedly! It is sad but true… Redefining everything to make “Christianity” acceptible to unbelievers is atrocious but becoming more & more common.

  5. JNj.

    March 23, 2014 at 11:57 pm

    Because he himself is not sound doctrinal sound. Or how should someone call this “poem”: ?


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